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HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:10:00 - [1] - Quote Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get banned when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life. If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned. So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN. I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port. NO #portdust its #STFU If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:17:00 - [2] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: New challenge. Impersonate the OP and demonstrate the issues player impersonation causes. Change upper case 'i' to lower case 'L' 'HOLY PERFECTlON' boo hoo my reputation welcome to dust If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:18:00 - [3] - Quote I see why people care so much about people impersonating..... they aint got no life If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:22:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I understand why you can get banned when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. Getting banned IRL is the worst don't even play around with that sh*t ha sorry I should have read it over. Thanks for catching my mistake, I meant arrested. I was on the subject of banning, and dust. So I guess I just accidently put banned in there. 07 If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:27:00 - [5] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: It's a headache for players involved in trading. Rep is pretty much all you have. When some little **** takes a dump on your identity by impersonating your account for the lolz that's more harassment than 'welcome to New Eden.' I haven't had this issue. I scooped up all the variations of my name. PSN accounts are free after all. I understand your frustration, however let me give you an example as of how I see it. This is a free to play game, you are not doing any actual harm by scamming. So ccp lets people scam and everything; I get that. But they ban someone for impersonating a FAKE non - existing account. And reputation its the only thing you have; however I'm sorry to inform you its a trust based game. If your stupid enough to not read names, and make sure that its the right person, its on you. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:29:00 - [6] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I see why people care so much about people impersonating..... they aint got no life Same can go for the person impersonating. They go out of their way to create a character and impersonate somone else in order to ruin their reputation, scam, and perform actions that could risk relations of that character with other corps. Guys whats the deal with reputation, boo hoo if others think your bad. They are not hurting CCP, or your actual real account. If you care so much about your reputation you shouldn't. You and your friends know your not who people say you are. So why care what some noob sais, right? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 00:41:00 - [7] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I see why people care so much about people impersonating..... they aint got no life Same can go for the person impersonating. They go out of their way to create a character and impersonate somone else in order to ruin their reputation, scam, and perform actions that could risk relations of that character with other corps. Guys whats the deal with reputation, boo hoo if others think your bad. They are not hurting CCP, or your actual real account. If you care so much about your reputation you shouldn't. You and your friends know your not who people say you are. So why care what some noob sais, right? It matters because it works. Or else why would someone deliberately make an account with similar info of another? Besides it is against the rules to impersonate someone's account. That's why I'm asking, that why you get banned if you impersonate a FAKE account and scam. But you don't get banned when you scam and don't impersonate. You might as well just ban scamming. Oh so you can scam, but you cant scam impersonating someone elses account. Its stupid, and completely illogical. Impersonating is a method of scamming. You cant say its ok to scam, then ban all methods of scamming. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:22:00 - [8] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: What do you mean by "Fake" account? Aren't all accounts created in game real? You'd still get banned for impersonating someone else even if you didn't use that account solely for scamming. If you wanna scam someone go ahead use your main or create an alt, no need to steal identity unless if you want to cause harm to that person. FAKE as in it has no relation to the real physical world we actually live in. You cannot steal someones information online by claiming you are someone else. There is no way; therefore it is illogical for CCP to ban people for impersonating a in game account. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:42:00 - [9] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get arrested when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life. If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned. So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN. I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port. NO #portdust its #STFU The fact that you are even asking this question directly reflects how much of a piece of **** you are in real life. What??? explain your reasoning please or Ill have to report you for use of offensive language. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get arrested when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life. If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned. So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN. I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port. NO #portdust its #STFU The fact that you are even asking this question directly reflects how much of a piece of **** you are in real life. If I'm such a mean guy then you are technically violating : 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the DUST 514 forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of DUST 514. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. And please let me remind you of the consequences: Reprimand Policy The DUST 514 Community Team operates a tiered system of warnings and associated forum suspensions of various lengths, depending on the severity and number of transgressions of the rules. The list below shows the structure of our warning and suspension policy. Please be aware that if a transgression of the rules is severe enough, this policy may be bypassed completely in favor of permanent revocation of a forum userGÇÖs posting privileges. 1ST OFFENCE GÇô WARNING 2ND OFFENCE GÇô 14 DAY SUSPENSION 3RD OFFENCE GÇô 30 DAY SUSPENSION 4TH OFFENCE GÇô 90 DAY SUSPENSION 5TH OFFENCE GÇô 180 DAY SUSPENSION 6+ OFFENCES GÇô 180 DAY SUSPENSION (OR PERMANENT BAN IF TRANSGRESSION IS SEVERE ENOUGH I found these on this forum, if you want to verify what I found Dust rules and regulations If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed

HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 01:57:00 - [11] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Summa Militum wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get arrested when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life. If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned. So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN. I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port. NO #portdust its #STFU The fact that you are even asking this question directly reflects how much of a piece of **** you are in real life. What??? explain your reasoning please or Ill have to report you for use of offensive language. This is hilarious! You are threating to have him banned for 1 word, yet stealing someone's online identity is okay with you? Bravo sir, the logic is well with you It is kind of ironic isn't it ha. But I'm sorry but your wrong. He was calling me a mean name that was not true. Which is in fact against regulation. But my reason makes perfect logical since. If you tell someone to f off, that is physically and mentally troubling. And you can even go as far as suing the person if they threaten your life. Impersonation without physically or hacking the other persons account, shouldn't be bannable. Nice try though. But yes the only real reason I posted the regulations was because I don't like him all that much. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:01:00 - [12] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Define "Fake Account" and how it is different from a "Real account." Fake account : any on game name that doesn't connect to your actual psn that can risk you real life information. Real account : your actual psn containing your actual important data. ( this is impossible to do since you cannot create two of the same accounts. ( EXAMPLE credit cards, transaction statements, etc. ) So I was just trying to compare two different things so people would hopefully get my point better. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:16:00 - [13] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Summa Militum wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Why is a character banned when they impersonate another character. I understand why you can get arrested when you impersonate a cop; or another person in real life. But that is a different story from in game to real life. If you impersonate someone in real life, you are risking that persons actual data. Like bank card, SS number etc. If you lie to a cop, then that is against the law isn't it. The difference is that in Dust you are in game. Unless the person is illegally trying to get information about the other person online; they should not be banned. So, why are in game accounts getting banned for " impersonation ". Its not like its real life or anything of that nature. If you believe that person poses a threat to your account, like a hacker. Then, report them to PSN. I think the reason that they ban certain players is to keep the playerbase form whining like a bunch of babys. I mean you guys already do that a lot. Whine whine OP whine whine UP. Whine whine port. NO #portdust its #STFU The fact that you are even asking this question directly reflects how much of a piece of **** you are in real life. What??? explain your reasoning please or Ill have to report you for use of offensive language. I actually didn't use any offensive language. I have a good understanding of what words are censored on the forums so when it comes time for me to type a word that would be censored I instead type out the appropriate number of asterisks for that particular word. What you view as an offensive word in my previous post is actually just the result of me holding down the shift key and pressing the number 8 key four times. Now I will explain my reasoning behind my assessment of what you just said. What you asked shows an out of sight, out of mind mentality towards the actions that you would make in life. Based on these few posts we have here in this thread no one can assess to what extent you will take this mindset but we can assess that you are the type of person who will choose a negative course of action in life so long as the negative consequences don't immediately or directly affect you. What makes it worse is that you will blind yourself morally in an attempt to deny or justify the negative action. Finally about time you had a response, I thought you ran off. I am well aware of what mental state I am in. And I am also aware that reputation is very important to some people. However scamming is very important to other people as well. As for the offensive language part really dude. I can obviously make out what your trying to say; however none the less you are correct. I will be keeping a close eye on you my friend XD If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:20:00 - [14] - Quote I'm sorry your reputation can get hurt, however that's not harmful. Lets get back to the main point here your getting off topic. Your feelings are out of control, I understand your frustration. When you get mad you get mad. Does it give you the right to just ban somebody? NO So just because it affects your reputation it gives CCP the right to Ban a person. No it doesn't. So I am right, I justified my reasoning. I'm sorry if it hurts your reputation, feelings, etc. but welcome to the real world my friend. Feelings get hurt If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 02:22:00 - [15] - Quote oh I'm sorry summa your my friend. I should have been clearer, I meant I don't like your language.07 If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 03:15:00 - [16] - Quote Out of all the people replying on this topic, as this is apparently sensitive. Are there any CPM, GM, or DEV members willing to comment. As they the people of dust might listen to your opinion, as they see you as gods not devs. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 04:05:00 - [17] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? Look, the best answer I can give you is look out for the names. It is 100% your fault if you give X player your money. You clicked the button, not him. He fooled you, not the other way around. Just pay attention, unless he is causing actual harm ( besides your feelings getting hurt, or your reputation) then its ok. Your friends know you, and they know you are not a scammer. So really, plus you got a blacklist, so if you get scammed. Report it there, then everyone will be cautious. Just the idea of you can scam is ok. But banning methods of scamming is not ok in my mind. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 04:12:00 - [18] - Quote @ETC Are you asking me why I would want their information? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:14:00 - [19] - Quote Ok if its an identity issue, what is at risk? Social Security -no Records -no Bank Card -no Reputation -yes The way I see it, there is no real identity issue. Let me explain that a little more... I mean you have nothing at risk if someones name is close to yours. I'm pretty sure a little hurt reputation is not going to kill you. The Devs already said its ok to scam; this is NEW EDEN. Impersonating someone is a form, and method of scamming. Its your (the players) fault that you didn't read the name correctly. To bad, so sad little Johnny. Its so stupid that you get banned for impersonating a IN GAME CHARACTER with no relations to you at all. Just think about it, what if you have the same name on accident. Rock01 Rock o1 ... oh no hes impersonating me = ban If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:16:00 - [20] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? Look, the best answer I can give you is look out for the names. It is 100% your fault if you give X player your money. You clicked the button, not him. He fooled you, not the other way around. Just pay attention, unless he is causing actual harm ( besides your feelings getting hurt, or your reputation) then its ok. Your friends know you, and they know you are not a scammer. So really, plus you got a blacklist, so if you get scammed. Report it there, then everyone will be cautious. Just the idea of you can scam is ok. But banning methods of scamming is not ok in my mind. Why would anyone care about getting a fake account banned that they used to impersonate another player with to scam people? What if it is their main? That's not the point though, CCP is kind of contradicting themselves here. SCAMMING = OK SCAMMING ( USING IMPERSONATION ) = NOT OK = BAN FINAL SOLUTION = NO SENCE If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed

HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:51:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: To answer the OP. Because of the constant flood of trade glitch complaints in the petition system, as well as to curb exploitive behavior not intended by CCP. Its similar to the reason third party API counterfeiting is now bannable. The practices create a much bigger headache for GMs. Scamming is allowed, but pulling off a scam in such a way that a GM has to get involved beyond an email saying "sorry, scamming is not against the TOS" is no longer acceptable. Example, if you were to make a character that mimiced me, and the newbie missed the cues, and you violate the ToS while scamming someone in my name, (something I personally give no f**ks about) and minimal scrutiny happens and I get banned in your stead... Wrll this starts a chain of events where I get mad, emails are sent, my account gets unbanned and yours gets banned for the TOS violations. Basically it's you covering your scamming and trying to escape consequences by foisting the consequences on me, both virtual consequences and real ones. And it makes the GMs have to do three or four (hundred) times the work of what would otherwise be a "scamming is not against ToS" stock email. You're being punished for making CCP employee lives more difficult at the end of the day. I knew, and am well a wear why CCP bans for impersonating. However, in the first place. Why dont GM ignore those tickets, then close them. Boo hoo someone is hurting their reputation. It is not the devs job to keep your reputation in check. Am I wrong? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:54:00 - [22] - Quote Black Eagle495 wrote: here's one reason why One day HOLY PERFECTION logs off after normal day of dust. Soon after someone makes and account named HOLY PERFECTlON. HOLY PERFECTlON then goes and finds HOLY PERFECTION's friends, corpmates and other associates and does a whole lot nasty things to them. things so bad most people would not ever forgive HOLY PERFECTlON. People spread word of the things HOLY PERFECTlON has done and people generally hate him. HOLY PERFECTlON then deletes his own character (alt) so no one would find the fake. HOLY PERFECTION logs back on the next day only to find that he has a whole bunch of angry mails and that he has been kicked from his corp. no one wants talk/play with him and everyone hates him. HOLY PERFECTION tries to convince people that is wasn't him but no one believes him. HOLY PERFECTION becomes sad, some would even say depressed. This has caused HOLY PERFECTION emotional harm in what seems was the only reason HOLY PERFECTlON was created. all this happened because one guy decided that he was going to try a ruin a guy's relationship with everyone he knew. and that no longer has anything to do with dust at that point. one of many things you could do with a stolen identity. One I have a mic two read my name more careful next time three my friends would immediately put a halt to it so no one else gets scammed. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 05:58:00 - [23] - Quote I DO know your frustration, its happened to me before you know. Its just part of the game am I right; just read carefully. Seriously when it comes down to it its your own fault you get scammed. And that is just that simple, and I know it sounds harsh. Read Better next time!!!!!! If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:05:00 - [24] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: To answer the OP. Because of the constant flood of trade glitch complaints in the petition system, as well as to curb exploitive behavior not intended by CCP. Its similar to the reason third party API counterfeiting is now bannable. The practices create a much bigger headache for GMs. Scamming is allowed, but pulling off a scam in such a way that a GM has to get involved beyond an email saying "sorry, scamming is not against the TOS" is no longer acceptable. Example, if you were to make a character that mimiced me, and the newbie missed the cues, and you violate the ToS while scamming someone in my name, (something I personally give no f**ks about) and minimal scrutiny happens and I get banned in your stead... Wrll this starts a chain of events where I get mad, emails are sent, my account gets unbanned and yours gets banned for the TOS violations. Basically it's you covering your scamming and trying to escape consequences by foisting the consequences on me, both virtual consequences and real ones. And it makes the GMs have to do three or four (hundred) times the work of what would otherwise be a "scamming is not against ToS" stock email. You're being punished for making CCP employee lives more difficult at the end of the day. I knew, and am well a wear why CCP bans for impersonating. However, in the first place. Why dont GM ignore those tickets, then close them. Boo hoo someone is hurting their reputation. It is not the devs job to keep your reputation in check. Am I wrong? Because it broke the rules, it is there job to resolve these issues no matter how major or minor. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it should go unpunished. CCP has a game to run, they cant worry about crap like this. Its obvious this game is small. An augment is extremely, " secluded". Its the same people 24/7 posting/complaining. That's why this game isn't getting bigger, CCP has to deal with our crap. Give them a break here, they cannot hear every post on impersonating. And if you are correct, and people are posting on alts they can transfer the money; then proceed to leave. They can donate money to their main corporation. Then, leave get that account banned. Do it all over again, and get rich. Your creating a loop hole anyway. I appreciate the efforts on trying to protect peoples reputation, but frankly, the games dying. CCP cannot afford to waste their time with our problems. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:13:00 - [25] - Quote When you get scammed its YOUR fault. impersonating someones account is a method of scamming. They are saying that they are someone else. Now weather you choose to believe that is on you. If they scam you, that your fault. The person never made you at all. Plus to top it all of, GM is wasting his time answering tickets about impersonating. Think about it, just let CCP get out a patch/update with no tickets. Itll get done faster, hopefully If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:14:00 - [26] - Quote Black Eagle495 wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Black Eagle495 wrote: here's one reason why One day HOLY PERFECTION logs off after normal day of dust. Soon after someone makes and account named HOLY PERFECTlON. HOLY PERFECTlON then goes and finds HOLY PERFECTION's friends, corpmates and other associates and does a whole lot nasty things to them. things so bad most people would not ever forgive HOLY PERFECTlON. People spread word of the things HOLY PERFECTlON has done and people generally hate him. HOLY PERFECTlON then deletes his own character (alt) so no one would find the fake. HOLY PERFECTION logs back on the next day only to find that he has a whole bunch of angry mails and that he has been kicked from his corp. no one wants talk/play with him and everyone hates him. HOLY PERFECTION tries to convince people that is wasn't him but no one believes him. HOLY PERFECTION becomes sad, some would even say depressed. This has caused HOLY PERFECTION emotional harm in what seems was the only reason HOLY PERFECTlON was created. all this happened because one guy decided that he was going to try a ruin a guy's relationship with everyone he knew. and that no longer has anything to do with dust at that point. one of many things you could do with a stolen identity. One I have a mic two read my name more careful next time three my friends would immediately put a halt to it so no one else gets scammed. the point, you completely missed it. I get what your saying here, good augment. Is it really worth time to send in a ticket; and furthermore if HOLY PERFECTION is really that harmed my that. He needs to get more friends XD If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:15:00 - [27] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: To answer the OP. Because of the constant flood of trade glitch complaints in the petition system, as well as to curb exploitive behavior not intended by CCP. Its similar to the reason third party API counterfeiting is now bannable. The practices create a much bigger headache for GMs. Scamming is allowed, but pulling off a scam in such a way that a GM has to get involved beyond an email saying "sorry, scamming is not against the TOS" is no longer acceptable. Example, if you were to make a character that mimiced me, and the newbie missed the cues, and you violate the ToS while scamming someone in my name, (something I personally give no f**ks about) and minimal scrutiny happens and I get banned in your stead... Wrll this starts a chain of events where I get mad, emails are sent, my account gets unbanned and yours gets banned for the TOS violations. Basically it's you covering your scamming and trying to escape consequences by foisting the consequences on me, both virtual consequences and real ones. And it makes the GMs have to do three or four (hundred) times the work of what would otherwise be a "scamming is not against ToS" stock email. You're being punished for making CCP employee lives more difficult at the end of the day. I knew, and am well a wear why CCP bans for impersonating. However, in the first place. Why dont GM ignore those tickets, then close them. Boo hoo someone is hurting their reputation. It is not the devs job to keep your reputation in check. Am I wrong? Yes but I want to change ToS Yes you are right, but I want to change ToS. That's my main purpose of this post. Because it broke the rules, it is there job to resolve these issues no matter how major or minor. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it should go unpunished. CCP has a game to run, they cant worry about crap like this. Its obvious this game is small. An augment is extremely, " secluded". Its the same people 24/7 posting/complaining. That's why this game isn't getting bigger, CCP has to deal with our crap. Give them a break here, they cannot hear every post on impersonating. And if you are correct, and people are posting on alts they can transfer the money; then proceed to leave. They can donate money to their main corporation. Then, leave get that account banned. Do it all over again, and get rich. Your creating a loop hole anyway. I appreciate the efforts on trying to protect peoples reputation, but frankly, the games dying. CCP cannot afford to waste their time with our problems. The GM are supposed to handle those issues, it is their job. We aren't wasting their time because that is their sole purpose and have no actual influence in the development of the game. Again, they are Game Moderators, they solve issues and regulate players who break ToS. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:18:00 - [28] - Quote If we wasted less time trying to get people in trouble in game. We could get more people outside the game to play. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 06:33:00 - [29] - Quote This is my final post for this thread as it is now annoying me. I started this thread to get a great augment started. As you can see it worked, nice job everyone. I liked a lot of the augments you all brought up. There are a lot of ups and downs to this. Here are a few positive sides to keeping the ban on impersonating someone's account. For one you keep the remaining player base relatively happy. People are thriving, and very happy. Life continues, but Dust gradually looses player base. Gm still has a job, and the scammers get busted. These are a big list of negatives that I have found. Firstly, CCP are still loosing players. We are not really seeing signs of this game growing, All of this banning isn't good for the game now is it. Were so focused on what's wrong in game; when we should be having discussions on how the game could grow. Secondly, if you get scammed its on you. CCP should not protect your reputation, its just not their job. However, if that person harasses you, then you could should report them. I probably have more, but to be honest id have to dig through 50 or so comments. Just read this, and think over it carefully. Remember, you guys decide where the game goes. Not CPM, Not CCP; you guys are the direct line between them. So decide wisely not just on this. But on Buffing, porting dust, nerfing, etc. The people on the forums only represent a small portion of the actual player base. Good luck as I haven't played dust in a while actually. Thanks for being my Ginny Pig. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:02:00 - [30] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: You're Welcome... Good Ridance. Since I'm not done here, I'll finish off those negatives you left laying there. The loss of players is not due to the bans, but to other major issues in the game. If we ever did players due to a legit ban, we are better off without them. The GM will punish anyone who breaks ToS if it is reported. It is their job and will continue to do till the game is dead or are switched position. If someone sees another player break ToS they have every right to report them. You always seem to think it is the person who is getting scammed who is reporting not the person getting impersonated... You are being banned from impersonating not from scamming. Yes it's on you if you get scammed, but it is not one you when someone uses your name to try to cause sh*t. you still didn't win If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed

HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 07:09:00 - [31] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Forever ETC wrote: You're Welcome... Good Ridance. Since I'm not done here, I'll finish off those negatives you left laying there. The loss of players is not due to the bans, but to other major issues in the game. If we ever did players due to a legit ban, we are better off without them. The GM will punish anyone who breaks ToS if it is reported. It is their job and will continue to do till the game is dead or are switched position. If someone sees another player break ToS they have every right to report them. You always seem to think it is the person who is getting scammed who is reporting not the person getting impersonated... You are being banned from impersonating not from scamming. Yes it's on you if you get scammed, but it is not one you when someone uses your name to try to cause sh*t. you still didn't win K den, congrats on whoever won the trophy. But I didn't know this was competition, next time can you let me know so I can get cheerleaders? can you? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:38:00 - [32] - Quote Wow now the hurtful, and most irrelevant comments come when I'm not here to defend myself. If you care so much about a reputation on a fake game, then you need a little professional help. It`s just that if you think about it real hard; you can see how stupid it sounds. So you can scam people for isk. That's hurts peoples feelings, correct? But its a whole different level when you impersonate someone when scamming. I mean really, you people sound so pathetic. Sorry for the hurtful grammar, will I get banned? Because, remember I hurt your feelings. Oh no, I shot you, did I hurt your feelings. Please... Please don't ban me Archduke I made my point, so I'm going to stop now, and answering another question. I did quit dust, actually like a few months ago. It`s just, I still get on the forums in hope the game will improve. Also to have stupid debates like this; as well as ideas to make the game better. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:43:00 - [33] - Quote Kaltos Darksbane wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? Look, the best answer I can give you is look out for the names. It is 100% your fault if you give X player your money. You clicked the button, not him. He fooled you, not the other way around. Just pay attention, unless he is causing actual harm ( besides your feelings getting hurt, or your reputation) then its ok. Your friends know you, and they know you are not a scammer. So really, plus you got a blacklist, so if you get scammed. Report it there, then everyone will be cautious. Just the idea of you can scam is ok. But banning methods of scamming is not ok in my mind. But werent you the one earlier saying that feelings getting hurt did matter as it causes problems for people. Again a hypocrite. Hey guess what, read before you post butterfingers. I wasn't talking about feelings, I was giving suggestion on how, and why you can stop a scammer. Furthermore, I also proved my point, your augument saying I'm a, "hypocryit". is completely false. Your lacking actual proof that I am. Again read better next time before your post. AND STOP DERAILING MY POST tm CCP If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:50:00 - [34] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? Edit: How does risk vs reward factor into this equation? Do you think its okay for someone to not risk anything at all and still be able to reap the fruits of someone else's labor? Do I think its ok to "reap" rewards from another player. Morally no, I do not. Than again this is new eden, and you can scam. I'm sorry if it hurts your reputation, or feelings. Its just part of scamming; therefore you got to grow up. Boo hoo if someone hurts your trust between players, its NEW EDEN. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:09:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: If you wanted an actual answer from CCP, you should've filed a help ticket and they'd have been happy to explain the reasoning behind the rule. Given how your actual purpose isn't to obtain that information but instead form a debate, I must ask why you feel as if players should be allowed to impersonate others. CCP allows its players to scam others to get in game currency. It is New Eden and your allowed to do that. Sure it hurts peoples feelings, and so forth. So, why not let people impersonate one another. Think about it; when you are scammed. Most of the time you don't pay exact attention. You don't know the person, you send isk. Or maybe they sound really legit. Well its just the same with impersonating. It is your fault you cannot see a slight difference between each name. You see, the way I look at it. If you are stupid enough to get scammed, that's on you. Impersonation is just afterall, a method of scamming. It does hurt your feelings, and your reputation. Is it morally right, no. So you cannot say its ok to scam, then ban a way of scamming. That's like saying slavery is allowed; but only in on Mondays. I can understand if you are harassed. That is a complete different story, send in a ticket over that. But a method of scamming should not be banned. I understand CCP probably will not change this, due to that majority of the players on the forums who run it, are opposed to this issue. But I can try cant I? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:12:00 - [36] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Atiim wrote: If you wanted an actual answer from CCP, you should've filed a help ticket and they'd have been happy to explain the reasoning behind the rule. Given how your actual purpose isn't to obtain that information but instead form a debate, I must ask why you feel as if players should be allowed to impersonate others. I have pretty much asked him the same thing but his reply is always somewhere along the lines of because scamming is legal, who cares about player rap and only people with no life cares about having their in game rep so F them. Good luck getting a real answer man. Scamming isn't right, but you have to deal with it. Sorry, you cannot make the game perfect. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:14:00 - [37] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: New challenge. Impersonate the OP and demonstrate the issues player impersonation causes to a person's reputation. Change upper case 'i' to lower case 'L' 'HOLY PERFECTlON' If you do that ill just report, remember the rule is still in place. I still may be trying to change it; however I`ll still use it to my fullest advantage. So be careful what you post here. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.12.13 22:17:00 - [38] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: New challenge. Impersonate the OP and demonstrate the issues player impersonation causes to a person's reputation. Change upper case 'i' to lower case 'L' 'HOLY PERFECTlON' If you do that ill just report, remember the rule is still in place. I still may be trying to change it; however I`ll still use it to my fullest advantage. So be careful what you post here. Lolz by your own word you have said that it should be perfectly acceptable for someone to impersonate others but at the first sign of someone saying they're going to impersonate you you report them. Again the hypocrisy in this is unbelievable. Don't complain about the system and then use it when its to your benefit. No one will take you seriously otherwise. I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.12.13 22:18:00 - [39] - Quote Stop derailing my thread please. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 174	Posted - 2015.12.14 01:24:00 - [40] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: I want to change the rules correct; however I will take full advantage of the rule as it is now. Especially if it is someone I don't particually care for. So I do not like the rule of banning for impersonation. But I will "reap" the benefits until its changed. So I am not a hypocrite, I just didn't like his comment; therefore Ill take advantage of the rules as is. This entire paragraph is a shining example of your hypocrisy. Please do continue making a fool out of yourself. Nice did you pull out the dictionary for hypocrisy. Look, I'm not a hypocrite; however I am a opportunist. I see a opportunity and I take it. I'm saying I want to change the rule for impersonating. But I will be a pain in the asvab for anybody I don't like. So I may not like the rule, but ill use it. Stop derailing my thread please. If you got an opinion that's good. But don't come in here starting trouble, I know you 12 gauge. You do that to a lot of posts. If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed

HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 174	Posted - 2015.12.14 01:26:00 - [41] - Quote Kaltos Darksbane wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Kaltos Darksbane wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: I honestly can't believe that this even needs to be ask. Here's some better question. What's in it for the people who are trying to be honest trailers? Why should they have to fight tooth and nail with someone who is impersonating them without there being any repercussions towards the person impersonating them. Why do you think this wouldn't hurt the game and ccp bottom dollar at all? Look, the best answer I can give you is look out for the names. It is 100% your fault if you give X player your money. You clicked the button, not him. He fooled you, not the other way around. Just pay attention, unless he is causing actual harm ( besides your feelings getting hurt, or your reputation) then its ok. Your friends know you, and they know you are not a scammer. So really, plus you got a blacklist, so if you get scammed. Report it there, then everyone will be cautious. Just the idea of you can scam is ok. But banning methods of scamming is not ok in my mind. But werent you the one earlier saying that feelings getting hurt did matter as it causes problems for people. Again a hypocrite. Hey guess what, read before you post butterfingers. I wasn't talking about feelings, I was giving suggestion on how, and why you can stop a scammer. Furthermore, I also proved my point, your augument saying I'm a, "hypocryit". is completely false. Your lacking actual proof that I am. Again read better next time before your post. AND STOP DERAILING MY POST tm CCP Uh-oh, am I hitting a nerve. Now you're resorting to name calling. We have all proved your hypocrisy multiple times and that all of the aspects are your opinion, while attempting to deny us our own opinions. The proof is there for everyone to read. Your stubborn egotism is truly amazing. Aww.... geez I'm blushing If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 174	Posted - 2015.12.14 01:34:00 - [42] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Pew pew. why waste space ... why? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed
HOLY PERFECTION Fourth Nature 178	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:20:00 - [43] - Quote Git Gud Bruh wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Stop derailing my thread please. I'm pretty sure you did a good job of derailing everything you've ever come in contact with.... This thread is dead, why bother causing trouble. Really? If I charge, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, revenge me. I'm really hard headed

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